The Great Uighur Empire According to James Churchward

A brief image flashed in a previous podcast episode to announce planning for a conference to be held on the subject of the Great Uighur Empire. This (late) blog entry is another opportunity for interested parties to get involved in the planning and preparation. So far there have been very few emails at gueconf@my-mu.com for prospective participants to announce their intentions to join in.

Tentatively scheduled to be held in May 2011 in Florida in the Tampa Bay area, the purpose of the conference is to assemble experts and information to discuss James Churchward's Great Uighur Empire.

We welcome all participants, professional and laymen, to impart their wisdom, understanding, and documented research on any facet of James Churchward's Great Uighur Empire. Most preferred would be any evidence that substantiates or provides independent corroboration of James' theories on the Great Uighur Empire.

This is a public appeal for participation - we have attempted to contact individuals identified as researchers into the Great Uighur Empire, however with very little success. If you would like to participate, either as a presenter, as an observer, or you know someone who should be contacted, please send us an email at gueconf@my-mu.com.

Have a great day,
Jack Churchward
Clearwater, Florida

Update on Naacal Tablets Discovery (2)

Testing for the validity of the rediscovered Naacal Tablets

An important topic for discussion - what tests should be performed on the newly rediscovered Naacal Tablets when they appear?
I am looking for input on the subject.
Publishing a complete list prior to the Naacal tablets being produced might be counter-productive. Some might say that the test criteria was released in advance so that the discovery could fulfil the requirements, however a list of suggestions of what might be on the list would be beneficial to get the thinking 'out of the box.'
A list has been started and will be posted (with any suggestions) when the find has been announced and the Naacal Tablets produced.

Also, a list of 'hard questions to be asked' is also needed.
For instance, if the civilization in Mu was so advanced that the records speak of flying around in man-made machines, why were the sacred writing of Mu written on clay tablets instead of being etched on metal? Certainly the flying machines were made of metal...

"Testing for the validity of the rediscovered Naacal Tablets" is a discussion topic opened in the My-Mu.com Forum for this very purpose.

Dr. Jozsef Cserep Information Received

Some new information has been received from a Hungarian researcher about Dr. Cserep.

Please visit the webpage at http://www.my-mu.com/Cserep/index.html

Two letters from Dr. Cserep to James Churchward are available in the My-Mu.com bookstore. They are entitled, "America as the Prehistoric Cradle of the Caucasian Race" and "Ancient Medes as Ancestors of the Magyars of Europe."

PopSci and James Churchward

Popular Science magazine (March 1928) had an article entitled "Swastika May Trace Races to Lost Pacific Continent" that quoted James' theory on the lost Pacific Ocean continent that he called, "Mu".


The text reads as follows:

Popular Science March 1928
"Swastika May Trace Races to Lost Pacific Continent"
Many thousands of years ago there stood in the Pacific Ocean a continent where thrived a remarkable civilization. In a tremendous earth upheaval the continent vanished, swallowed by the waters. But before the catastrophe, adventurers from that lost land drifted to other continents and left their marks.
Such is the fascinating theory advanced by Col. James Churchward, of India, to explain the origin of mysterious symbols found carved and painted on rocks.
Most famous of the symbols is the swastika cross found on rocks in America, Asia, Europe, and Africa. In North America the rock writings, or petroglyphs, have been generally attributed to comparatively recent tribes of Indians. Colonel Churchward, however, contends that many of them are very ancient, and that their original source was the lost continent. With the aid of key symbols discovered in India, he claims ability to translate some of the mysterious writings.
Interest in tracing the family tree of modern man has been heightened by the recent statement of Dr. Ales Hrdlicka, noted anthropologist, that the low-browed grisly Neanderthal man, who lived 40,000 years ago, may have been our direct ancestor, instead of a distant cousin of a different species. The belief has been that this prehistoric race was exterminated by the later Cro-Magnon men and left no descendants, however Dr. Hrdlicka finds new evidence that he formed a definite link in the long chain of human evolution.

The article is in the Google archives at http://books.google.com/books?id=ZScDAAAAMBAJ

Polat Kaya - One Example Too Many

Polat Kaya was one of the writers that was recommended when I started investigating the Great Uighur Empire and his name was mentioned in Podcast #10 entitled, "August 2008 Update on the Great Uighur Empire".


I had subscribed to his mailing list and have been reading his occasional papers on the subject. Rather than be accused of putting words in Mr. Kaya's mouth or misrepresenting his theories, I quote the conclusions from one of his papers below, and I direct the reader to the following link that is described as 'Polat Kaya's Library'

The following is listed as the conclusion in an email submittal with the subject title, "About the word "EXAMINE" and some other related words."

Conclusion

What clearly comes out from this examination is the fact that:


In the past, when "European linguists" wanted to come up with a word for a concept, they started by describing the concept using a Turkish word or expression. Once the definition is complete and satisfactory, the resulting Turkish word or phrase is anagrammatized in various ways so that each version can be fitted into anyone of the so-called "European" languages in accordance with pre-selected forms. This process most likely was the same for manufacturing words for the so-called "Semitic" languages. The resulting concoction is presented as being a word of an "old" Indo-European or Semitic source, of course with no mention of the Turkish source. No one would know what went on or how that word was invented as the process has never been revealed before as as they are revealed in these pages now. Thus all linguists, and of course also the public at large, are kept in the dark and very "happy" indeed! The provided etymologies appear tidy and convincing but in fact are falsehoods embellished with sophistry. In one way, the process has been very cleverly executed by the word-manufacturers for the "European and Semitic" languages. On the other hand, it is nothing less than "stealing", that is, from one mother/father language (i.e., Turkish) and "robbery" of the civilization expressed in that language. In this secret stealing process, they assign the linguistic material usurped from Turkish to other groups who have been presenting themselves to the world as "civilized" and "all knowing" while portraying the ancient Turkic world as "primitive" and "barbar". This is a sneaky way of "switching the tables!"

My only interpretation is that Mr. Kaya believes that Turkish people are the original advanced civilization from which all other cultures copied, and that the evidence is in the scrambled words in other languages that have been stolen from the Turkish. Never mind that the spelling of words (in any language) change over time or that the derivation of some words can be traced to other sources, there is no refuting the words or theories of Polat Kaya in his mind. I laud Mr. Kaya's adherence to his beliefs but with all due respect - the random application of the anagramation of words with such a small sample size does not provide conclusive proof of what essentially appears to be a racist viewpoint.

Were Mr. Kaya able to show that a significant number of words in a significant number of languages could be derived in this manner from ancient Turkish from spellings that were originally used when the word was 'stolen' - then maybe he has a point. Until such evidence is produced however, I am unable to regard the anagramation of stolen Turkish words to be credible.

Until the posting in April 2010 dealing with the word 'knucklehead' - Mr. Kaya had provided examples that added to his evidence.

With the analysis of the word, 'knucklehead' Polat Kaya demonstrates that any word can be scrambled and made to resemble an ancient Turkish word according to the 'Word Detective'. According to the cited document, the word was created in WW2 and I don't think it likely that some GIs thought to steal a word from Turkish after a hard day fighting for their lives. Pardon the pun, but 'knucklehead' was just one example too many.

I sent an email to the original posting and Mr. Kaya replied. Subsequently I sent an email to Mr. Kaya and the moderated mailing list to redirect the question to the issue of the age of the word 'knucklehead.' His reply was more-or-less the same as the previous reply and contained the following:

Polat Kaya: I have written about words that are more than 2000 years old and still shown that they were manufactured from Turkish. The "70 years" you keep talking about has no bearing on the anagrammatization process. So this argument of yours is faulty. I can see that you have a problem in accepting what I am demonstrating - but that is your problem - definitely not mine!

On the other hand, for the person(s) doing the anagrammatizing, it is a totally different story. Someone can take an ancient (or recent) word or phrase, restructure the text as he pleases, come up with a word in a new format - and assign it a meaning that comes from the phrase it was fabricated from - and claim it as his own. The thief knows that if he steals a word or an expression
in this manner from Turkish, no one will notice this "theft" or even know the difference - because what is stolen is not a physical object. Therefore nothing appears to be "missing". Words are not like a jacket or a car. If my jacket or car is stolen, I will sense it because something physical that I use daily is missing! It is not like that with words and phrases. No one can sense that behind closed doors, someone is manipulating Turkish words to fabricate new words for English - or other languages. It is because of this invulnerability that the anagrammatizer does the "theft" and gets away with it. This is the motivation why he does what he does best. Even the "car" thief would change at least the color of the stolen car in order to make it unrecognizable. Anagrammatizing a word or phrase is like repainting the stolen car but it is very difficult for 'linguists' to recognize this alteration and make a linguistic connection between the fabricated word and its source text. That is the very reason that 'anagramatizing' is the perfect linguistic stealing technique. Countles numbers of IE words have been manufactured on this basis from Turkish words and phrases - old and new.

As one follower of my writings, you know that I have also shown that many words from Greek, Latin, English and other so-called "Indo-European" (IE) languages have also been fabricated in this manner. So far, I have heard objections, but without any valid and rational explanation proving me wrong. I am afraid you are no exception. But, I am glad that you are raising your voice, but, I must also say that your rational is "no rational" as it lacks logic. I am afraid in the make up of languages and together with it in many other subjects the world people has been conned like children by few very secretive working organization, most likely by the religious ones throughout the history.

While I may have been reading Mr. Kaya's postings, I do not consider myself a follower of his writings.

I have also provided him the opportunity to examine this presentation before it is published. His reply is here.

I am still interested in collecting any information that corroborates James Churchward's writings on the Great Uighur Empire, however I have no reason to consult Polat Kaya's data.

Have a great day,
Jack Churchward
Clearwater, Florida

btw, with the chance that these postings about the word 'knucklehead' could be deleted, the following PDFs of the pages can be referenced:

Original Posting
My reply and Mr. Kaya's reply (my reply was not distributed to the list, but included as part of his response.)
My 2nd reply and Mr. Kaya's reply (my reply was not distributed to the list, but included as part of his response.)
Mr. Kaya's reply to this blog posting, prior to it being posted. Please note that the posting is/was unchanged from the original that Mr. Kaya viewed.

Update on the Naacal Tablets Discovery (1)

I received an email from Klaus Dona in Vienna that relates:

This morning I called my friend in Germany and he informed me that he leaves Germany next Wednesday for India again and he will give me some photos and a complete report about the Naacal plates after his return in a few weeks. As soon as I get the details, I shall send them to you directly.

Please visit the My-Mu.com forum topic on the Naacal tablets. I look forward to any new (or old) information that can provide further clues and assist in the verification of this discovery when the evidence becomes available in a few weeks.

Accusations Addressed

Recently, in response to the video announcement of the Rediscovery of the Naacal Tablets,

someone remarked:

There are a number of inconsistencies in James Churchward's story about his transcription and translation of the Nacaal tablets that shall have to be addressed in any attempt to validate his story. There is also no small problem that he was actually known to forge documents and produce wholly imaginary drawings of nonexistent archaeological finds.

and in response to a request for examples:

I can name you several instances. The most blatant favrication was his allegation that he had found and translated a document claiming that Moses was the child of Hatshepsut. No such document exists and the idea is most extremely unlikely to have been historically accurate. James Churchward illustrated artifacts supposedly discussed by "Paul Schleimann" and in particular an owl-headed vase and a bird-headed sphynx "From King Chronos of Atlantis". Paul Schlemann was not the person he claimed to be and Heinrich Schleimann never had a grandson named paul, as family documents attest. It had all been a hoax-but what is worse on Churchward's part is that he actually made up the illustrations for the non-existant artifacts. And among other things he created a fictiotious "Chaldean document of 5000 Bc discussing aircraft design" when there were no "Chaldean writings" at that time, nor yet any outside references to the presumed document.

I wish to address these points individually.
1. 'The most blatant fabrication' was not done by James Churchward in translating a tablet that says Moses was the child of Hatshepsut. In the modern day printing of 'The Books of the Golden Age', a volume from 1927 that was to remain unpublished, on page 195 is an illustration of this tablet, as shown below:


Books of the Golden Age page 195 (click for larger version)

Shown clearly at the bottom of this page is the following text: "The forgoing translation is not mine I cannot say whether it is right or wrong. I cannot read this label. JChurchward"


I know of no other public discussion or description of James translating this tablet. The drawing in the 'Books of the Golden Age' is certainly done by him, but was it originated by him, making the whole matter up to gain more publicity? The answer to this question might be better answered after viewing the following page from one of his scrapbooks:


Scrapbook 1 Page 12 (click for larger version)

This newspaper clipping obviously has the word 'Fake' and James initials written and pointing to the tablet and translation.
The article from the lower-left corner may not be easy to read, so a larger version is available here.
I hope I covered all the bases on this one. If there is other evidence that I have inadvertently neglected to include, please keep me honest and pass it along.

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James Churchward did not fabricate illustrations from Paul Schleimann's 1912 article, "How I Found the Lost Atlantis, The Source of All Civilization". James had a copy of the article in his scrapbook (without the pictures) and he included illustrations of the objects on page 251 of the 1926 "Lost Continent of Mu Motherland of Man."


The original article has been scanned by the Sacred Text Archive and can be seen here. The page with the scans of the illustrations is located here.

Here are side-by-side comparisons of the drawings:

Owlhead Vase from page 251 of Lost Continent of Mu Motherland of Man	Owlhead Vase from Paul Schleimann's 1912 article, How I Found the Lost Atlantis, The Source of All Civilization
Bird-headed sphinx from page 251 of Lost Continent of Mu Motherland of Man	Bird-headed sphinx from Paul Schleimann's 1912 article, How I Found the Lost Atlantis, The Source of All Civilization

I hope that this clears up any confusion concerning the alleged fabrication of these illustrations.

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Lastly, the only Chaldean document that James mentioned (that I was aware of) is the so-called Lhasa Record mentioned in the article, "How I Found the Lost Atlantis, The Source of All Civilization." It most definitely does not discuss aircraft design, but is included as one of James' proofs:

When the star Bal fell on the place where is now only sea and sky the Seven Cities with their Golden Gates and Transparent Temples quivered and shook like the leaves of a tree in storm. And behold a flood of fire and smoke arose from the palaces. Agony and cries of the multitude filled the air. They sought refuge in their temples and citadels. And the wise Mu, the hieratic of Ra-Mu, arose and said to them: 'Did not I predict all this?' And the women and the men in their precious stones and shining garments lamented: 'Mu, save us.' And Mu replied: 'You shall die together with your slaves and your riches and from your ashes will arise new nations. If they forget they are superior, not because of what they put on, but of what they put out, the same lot will befall them!' Flame and smoke choked the words of Mu. The land and its inhabitants were torn to pieces and swallowed by the depths in a few months.

I did pass along the posting for comments and received the following:

The documents alleged to have been found in Mesopotamia are called to be the Sifr'ala and the Hakalatha, the latter said to be 7000 years old. The translator is said to be one Y. N. Iban A'haron. There is no record of either Iban A'haron or these wporks outside of Churchward and Cedric Leonard mentions the fact in his book Quest for Atlantis.

I have been unable to find reference to these documents in James' books - if someone else has different information, please send it along.

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These accusations that

"he was actually known to forge documents and produce wholly imaginary drawings of nonexistent archaeological finds"

are hollow in that the examples offered do not apply.
I stand ready to examine and discuss any other examples that may be put forward, but, using these examples, James is blameless.

Have a great day,
Jack Churchward

James Churchward's Western India Discovery?

A January 2010 article entitled, "Is This a Wall of Dwarka?", archaeologists have discovered a 14km long wall in the sea on the western coast of India near Ratnagiri, Maharashtra State.

Amazingly, James Churchward, in his 1932 book, "Children of Mu" (page 182) writes the following:

SUBMERGED LANDS WEST COAST OF INDIA - In the Indian Ocean, adjoining the West Coast of India, there exists a large area of submerged lands with structures showing thereon. Like the remains of the South Sea Islands, these structures are prehistoric. These submerged lands commence at about 21 degrees north latitude, or just below the mouth of the river Indus, and extend south to about the equator. These submerged lands are apparently of an elongated oval shape. The Lacadive and Maldive groups of low-lying islands are within the boundaries of this oval. Although I have several times passed quite close to them, I have never been on any of them, so cannot say whether they are parts of the sunken land still above water, or whether they are the subsequent work of coral insects.

Page 181 provides the following map:


The following maps indicate the location of Ratnagiri and it's relationship with the maps provided by James Churchward.

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As the article states:

Dr BS Chandrashekar, a remote sensing geologist who has also studied this wall using satellite imagery, said,
"This is a fascinating wall which extends under the sea. I have studied it through remote sensing and my
preliminary observation is that it could lead to a fort. But who constructed it or what was its purpose can be
known only after a detailed archaeological examination."

We'll be looking forward to the results of the examination.

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A close examination of the legend portion of James' map reveals that the E & W are swapped as shown below:

One wonders what this means, it it a deliberate act to encode secret, hidden data or just a mistake? We'll keep an eye out to see if other illustrations have similar 'mistakes' and if anyone has any ideas, please send them along.

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New Species Discovered - What Would James Churchward Think?

The recent discovery that another human-like species walked the earth would have probably been dismissed by James Churchward, the author of the series of books on the Lost Continent of Mu.

James was a product of his age. Born a member of the British Empire in sleepy village in England in 1851, he was adamantly opposed to the idea of evolution. Although probably not the primary motivation for publishing his series on Mu, James' beliefs did color the presentation. Take the following examples:

1. James postulated the the Lost Continent of Mu was the wellspring of humanity - placing all evidence of our origins out of the reach of today's scientists and researchers.

2. James believed that Man experienced savagery as a result of civilization, as evidenced by this passage from the Lost Continent of Mu Motherland of Man from page 267:

I do not stand alone when I say that savagery came out of civilization, not civilization out of savagery. It is only those who know nothing of savages who maintain that civilization emerged from savagery."

My interpretation is that James believed that originally, Man was without sin (or without worldly influence) since he had been created by the Supreme Being and when the worldly influences played a greater role in people's lives, savagery ensued. Since Man was created by the Supreme Being, he(she) could not have evolved or been involved in evolution.

3. James had also considered evidence of non-human ancestors, as evidenced in the following from The Lost Continent of Mu Motherland of Man from page 171:

In their excitement over the discovery of a few old human bones, such as the Neanderthal, Piltdown, and Heidelberg man, scientists, in both Europe and America, have completely ignored and cast aside the remains of ancient man in North America. That the European remains were those of idiots and degenerates is obvious from the abnormal shapes of their skulls. Doubtless they were outcasts from civilized communities.
From Valmiki, Druidical works, the Popol Vuh and other ancient writings we learn that such characters were driven into the forests, there to live and die like the beasts. It would appear from many ancient writings that the usual method of disposing of bodies was by cremation, consequently there remained no trace of those whose bones had been consumed by fire.

James had been provided the scientific data that evidenced a new species of human in his day and chose to reject it. Today's scientific data may have been enough for him to change his mind if he had been exposed to it, but we will never know.

The recent podcast "Genetics and the Lost Continent of Mu", compared the theories of James Churchward's Lost Continent of Mu and the genetic evidence for the Out of Africa theory. In the presentation, my personal observation was that, given the evidence, the Out of Africa theory was more credible, however, some people disagreed and posted (unedited) comments like:

Whites and other non-blacks never came from Africa, that out of Africa theory is to? coverup the truth; Caucasians and all other non-blacks are a different spieces, that came from very cold caucasus mountains in Europe ; their something TOTALLY .different to ordinary Black African humanity; melanin is NOT in their makeup

Given thoughts like that, I guess it is quite possible that James could have brushed off the evidence for another species of human, just as the commenter did.

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